Is campaigning for an experiment a better way to start?

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18 April, 2012 - 22:00
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thomasrynne
Is campaigning for an experiment a better way to start?
Submitted by thomasrynne on 18 April, 2012 - 22:00
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20 April, 2012 - 12:53
Fatbob
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Hi Thomas,

A couple of queries / points you'd need to consider:-

  • What town / area do you want to try this in and what is the length of the route?
  • You need to consider signage (this is fraught with legal issues).
  • If you are suggesting closing off through routes can vehicles still turn at the end of the road (thinking of refuse wagons  etc)?
  • Are the roads you want to close off used for emergency vehicles?
  • What will be the effect on the journeys / routes of residents of the closed off streets (what will their alternative route look like?).
  • Could 20 mph zones work better?

Cheers,

Geoff

Submitted by Fatbob on 20 April, 2012 - 12:53
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22 April, 2012 - 20:01
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thomasrynne

Hi, thanks for raising these points. I had not thought of these issues.

I want to try this in Aldershot, Hampshire, The route is about 1.5 miles.

By signage do you mean signs for cars or cyclists (or both). What kind of legal issues are there?

You make a good point about turning, I will look at the roads again and see if there is space.

I'm not sure what you mean regarding the emergency vehicles. Obviously the roads would be used if accessing residents of the street. Do some roads have a more significant role?

For the closed off streets the worst case detour is just under a mile but a more common detour is 200m depending on which end of the street they live and where they want to go.

I don't think a 20mph zone would work. For me it would not pass the 8 year old test. ie. If my 4 year old was 8 I wouldn't be comfortable letting here cycle on the road, even with a 20mph sign. However, if there was only local traffic I would feel ok. I am guessing the same would be true of other people.

Submitted by thomasrynne on 22 April, 2012 - 20:01
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23 April, 2012 - 17:21
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christhebull

If certain detours are considered too long, it may be worth also / alternately considering carefully arranged false one way streets and/or turning restrictions with cycle exceptions, ideally arranged so that they were useless as rat runs by forcing drivers to rejoin a major road at an "earlier" point. That would also address issues with refuse or delivery vehicles needing to turn round. I am vaguely familiar with Aldershot but a Google Maps / similar link showing the proposed route would be nice.

Submitted by christhebull on 23 April, 2012 - 17:21
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24 April, 2012 - 14:50
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Fatbob
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Hi Thomas,

By signage do you mean signs for cars or cyclists (or both). What kind of legal issues are there?

Both,  check out   http://www.sustrans.org.uk/resources/design-and-construction/features-an... and that is just the start!

I'm not sure what you mean regarding the emergency vehicles. Obviously the roads would be used if accessing residents of the street. Do some roads have a more significant role?

Are the through roads used as access roads for emergency vehicles - wiould you be slowing their response times?

For the closed off streets the worst case detour is just under a mile but a more common detour is 200m depending on which end of the street they live and where they want to go.

OK, to you and I that may not seem too bad but be prepared for significant opposition from those who may need to drive for an extra 3 minutes!

 

Cheers,

Geoff

Submitted by Fatbob on 24 April, 2012 - 14:50
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